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skitzinoc · Jul 28, 2008, 02:26 PM // 14:26

They need to add purchasable instanced missions. Dungeons, towers, catacombs, caves, whatever.

Charge anywhere from $1.99 to $10.99 for them, affordable to all but still adds up for them. At the end would be custom skinned items or armor crafters. Only place in the game to get them. The more sought after items would be a higher priced instanced area. It would give you a week of access and only one person in the party would need to have purchased the add-on.

If people will pay $5.99 or whatever to rent a game for a week from the local video rental store why wouldn't you pay the same to rent game play for a week, and get something out of it that stays with your character?

If it's been suggested before I haven't read it so please don't start a 20 post flame.

Valeria · Jul 28, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

If you have every class through all campains and all elite missions done once you should just take a vacation and play something else for a few months.

If you come back most of GW is fun to play again.

If you compare the time spent on GW compared to other (non online) games its impressive ow long i didn't get bored with the game anyway...

Oukanna · Jul 28, 2008, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Even though, i have my complaints about guild wars, i think they could of made some things better than they are and new events would be a great thing blah blah blah.

I realise that you can not please everyone! it is pretty much impossible. So you will always have people to complain about the game, no matter what they do or do not do. That is life and no were can escape that fact.
Everyone needs to be able to compromise, in order to be satisifed otherwise you will be arguing forever and you will just continue to be dissapointed.

The way i see it is this, I buy say silent hill for the ps2. I complete it, i enjoyed playing through it. I do not go and complain about how they could of made it longer, or expand it, or demand bug fixes and monster balancing so i can play it again and again (usually a harder mode unlocks so you can play it once more and thats it).

Guild wars, i make a one off payment, i play through the game it keeps me entertained. they add new stuff and fix things, brilliant ^_^. Special events happen, weekend events happen woot. More fixes, expansions are created.
They want to work on a gw2, fair enough. They keep a few people on to maintain gw1 a little while gw2 is being made (generous of them).
They are not obligated to update the game, they could get away with just releasing the game and leaving it be, after all we only paid for the game not the updates. Oh and a hard mode was made for guild wars aswell, like a lot one off payment games.

Lord of the rings online, pay to play game. They do monthly updates, skill balances and of course new quests, areas and so on. However people pay for those updates so they are expected.

Hellgate London, they do some fixing updates, but for the people who do not pay to play, well they get nothing, for the people who pay to play they get the all new stone henge expansion. Even something as simple as making a guild is only open to people who pay to play.

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There is the other way of looking at things, in order to keep players happy with you, you need to give them what they want (or try to). I admit they are not giving out enough info for gw2, i personally think they announced it too early because it is not going to be released for another 1 or even 2 years.

They started playing about with skills, to re-balance them. made a few people happy and made a few people mad so now they are doing skill updates every 2 months to make sure nothing too drastic happens to the market and are trying to make majority happy.

After all it is just business, I am sure the people who work on gw would love to do all these wonderful things to make it better, but it boils down to money.

Abedeus · Jul 28, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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The way i see it is this, I buy say silent hill for the ps2. I complete it, i enjoyed playing through it. I do not go and complain about how they could of made it longer, or expand it, or demand bug fixes and monster balancing so i can play it again and again (usually a harder mode unlocks so you can play it once more and thats it).

Then go play single player games. This is online game.

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Hellgate London, they do some fixing updates, but for the people who do not pay to play, well they get nothing, for the people who pay to play they get the all new stone henge expansion. Even something as simple as making a guild is only open to people who pay to play.

Yeah, that's why Hellgate is NOT popular (I mean, buy AND pay to be better at game? wtf) and it's developers are almost broke.

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They are not obligated to update the game, they could get away with just releasing the game and leaving it be, after all we only paid for the game not the updates. Oh and a hard mode was made for guild wars aswell, like a lot one off payment games.

Yeah, they could leave. But then who would buy next game.

Diablo 2 was released in 2000 and last patch was in 2008. 8 years of support. GW won't see this much, as it's already a dying game.

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Oh and a hard mode was made for guild wars aswell, like a lot one off payment games.

Old content + more grind + harder =/= new content.

Oukanna · Jul 28, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Same rules apply for online games lol.

As for Hellgate, yeah they made a bad move, either make it pay to play or not....they shouldnt of made it both.

There will always be people to buy the next game, no matter how badly they treat gw1. Granted it will not be as many perhaps.

I think Anet expected gw2 to be out sooner than they thought, Diablo 3 is only just going to come out (cant wait ^^ )
Hats off to them though, for keeping the updates as long as they did.

The point is gw still are doing updates and continuing weekend events, and also for now the holiday events (even if some of you hate them, there is always loads of people who look forward to them)
Like i said cant please everyone.

Someone posted earlier, that they even got some new things in store for us yet.

You can't expect to have no grind in a game, there will always be a point in any online game were you run out of things to do, or you need to grind a bit to succeed further.

It would of been nice for them to continue gw1 and put out more expansions/campaigns. I guess the ideas that they want and what people want can not be done in gw, so they will go to a more advance system in gw2 to put them in.

Abedeus · Jul 28, 2008, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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You can't expect to have no grind in a game, there will always be a point in any online game were you run out of things to do, or you need to grind a bit to succeed further.

Grind a bit is good. Grind YOUR FING MIND OUT FOR TITLES is bad. Grinding YOUR FIND MIND OUT FOR TITLES IN A VERY BORING WAY is a megafail.

Besides, I bought the game for no-grind philosophy, so I can feel ripped off. Look at your Prophecies box and you will feel ripped off too.

roshanabey2 · Jul 28, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

who cares? they released the orignal game 3 years ago, and they have been working on it until they came up with the idea of gw2 , and even then they are updating the game every month what more do you want?

We don't pay monthly fees for the game, so we shouldn't expect the same treatment as other mmo because we made a one-time payment , so we are actually lucky to get any attention at all, because compared to other games we get loads, most one-time-payment games the developers stop working at it once the game is released

Stuart444 · Jul 28, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Grind a bit is good. Grind YOUR FING MIND OUT FOR TITLES is bad. Grinding YOUR FIND MIND OUT FOR TITLES IN A VERY BORING WAY is a megafail.

Besides, I bought the game for no-grind philosophy, so I can feel ripped off. Look at your Prophecies box and you will feel ripped off too.

yes but that is OPTIONAL, unlike other games, the grind in this game is OPTIONAL

other games get you to grind alot just to level up, this game allows you to grind OPTIONAL titles if you choose to, if not, then you don't.

Abedeus · Jul 28, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Stuart, I would call you very, very not nice. But I would get banned.

Try going to UW/FoW/DoA with a pug without r7-10 Norn and, for the latter, r4-8 lightbringer. JUST TRY AND WHEN YOU FAIL COME BACK.

You say - I don't need HM/titles, pugs need them. But it's almost like having to grind to level up - aren't you getting better/faster/stronger if you grind more?

Stuart444 · Jul 28, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Stuart, I would call you very, very not nice. But I would get banned.

Try going to UW/FoW/DoA with a pug without r7-10 Norn and, for the latter, r4-8 lightbringer. JUST TRY AND WHEN YOU FAIL COME BACK.

You say - I don't need HM/titles, pugs need them. But it's almost like having to grind to level up - aren't you getting better/faster/stronger if you grind more?

yes but 1) PUGGING is not needed to do the main game, (story missions and quests), 2) if you want to do one of thoser areas so badly, FIND a guild who does it the old way before Ursan, don't give me crap saying no guilds are like that because thats a lie.

there is still quite a few guilds who do elite areas without ursan.

kostolomac · Jul 28, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Try going to UW/FoW/DoA with a pug without r7-10 Norn and, for the latter, r4-8 lightbringer. JUST TRY AND WHEN YOU FAIL COME BACK.

Have you tried getting a pug in an elite area as a mesmer , no guild mates , no friends list , only people in the outpost?

I don't defend ursan in any way , but discrimination in elite areas will exist until people stop being narrow minded , good luck with that.

The grind in GW is minimal compared to other online games, which is good. The skill>time concept was only advertised in proph , and they kept their promise. They threw the concept away after factions.

Abedeus · Jul 28, 2008, 07:02 PM // 19:02

1) Main story is a crap. It's like 40% of PvE, maybe less. More like 25%.
2) Guild isn't always there.
3) I am in such a guild, but it's summer. People don't play that much. PuGs do. But I can't enter those without ursan.

And think about people that can't get into those groups. Maybe they play too short and that's their only problem?

That's a fact - to get into PuG, you MUST grind. And to do elite area, you need pug or guild, but then it's forcing people to do it not how they like it.

Stuart444 · Jul 28, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

1) Main story is a crap. It's like 40% of PvE, maybe less. More like 25%.
2) Guild isn't always there.
3) I am in such a guild, but it's summer. People don't play that much. PuGs do. But I can't enter those without ursan.

And think about people that can't get into those groups. Maybe they play too short and that's their only problem?

That's a fact - to get into PuG, you MUST grind. And to do elite area, you need pug or guild, but then it's forcing people to do it not how they like it.

1) OPINION
2) get a better guild, if you don't want to, then you can't complain
3) wait til after Summer

PUGs are optional, Elite Areas are optional

no one is forcing you to grind or do elite areas or PUG except YOU

Fates · Jul 28, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

For those of you that think A-net has abandoned GW, I have one simple question for you.

How can you possibly think that with our new CR Regina Buenaobra being so active in the GW1 community? She's always around talking about GWs this and GWs that and how they have exciting new things for us and such.

oh wait....

Abedeus · Jul 28, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Stuart444

1) OPINION
2) get a better guild, if you don't want to, then you can't complain
3) wait til after Summer

PUGs are optional, Elite Areas are optional

no one is forcing you to grind or do elite areas or PUG except YOU

I can sum this post with ,,You paid for the game, now GTFO or change your playstyle''.

1) 60% of the game is option?

Say you buy newest Final Fantasy. You enjoy playing your characters. In 2/5 of the game, you meet a boss. He rapes your team. You go against him again, he rapes you again. Then you go to forums to ask ,,wtf'' and people respond ,,oh that's simple, you need 50 more levels, but that's optional, as you probably can kill him with some luck on your level, or you can use cheats, right?''. Same here - I get to 2/5th of the game to find out that I MUST get high norn/lightbringer to get the 3/5 that is unaccessible to me. And who cares I don't want to grind - I don't want to grind, I don't play half the game I paid for.

2)You know a guild where members are 24/7 FOR YOU and ALWAYS doing things just to please you? Wow, I want that hooch.
3)Yay, didn't know I paid for a game I can use 3/4 of the year.

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no one is forcing you to grind or do elite areas or PUG except YOU

And I thought idiots using ,,don't like - don't use'' argument died already. Oh well, guess you were in a deep coma.

Stuart444 · Jul 28, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44

1) option? I SAID OPINION, as for the Final Fantasy thing. I actually know how to play Final Fantasy, I know that you sometimes need to level up more and other times you need to use some strategy.
2) I don't know one but i am sure there is one that has people on 24/7.
3) so you're saying that you can't do ANYTHING without PUGS/elite areas PUGS which require ursan? WOW *rolls eyes*

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

I can sum this post with ,,You paid for the game, now GTFO or change your playstyle''.

1) 60% of the game is option?

Say you buy newest Final Fantasy. You enjoy playing your characters. In 2/5 of the game, you meet a boss. He rapes your team. You go against him again, he rapes you again. Then you go to forums to ask ,,wtf'' and people respond ,,oh that's simple, you need 50 more levels, but that's optional, as you probably can kill him with some luck on your level, or you can use cheats, right?''. Same here - I get to 2/5th of the game to find out that I MUST get high norn/lightbringer to get the 3/5 that is unaccessible to me. And who cares I don't want to grind - I don't want to grind, I don't play half the game I paid for.

2)You know a guild where members are 24/7 FOR YOU and ALWAYS doing things just to please you? Wow, I want that hooch.
3)Yay, didn't know I paid for a game I can use 3/4 of the year.

And I thought idiots using ,,don't like - don't use'' argument died already. Oh well, guess you were in a deep coma.

seut · Jul 28, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Diablo 2 was released in 2000 and last patch was in 2008. 8 years of support. GW won't see this much, as it's already a dying game.

Eight years of support? How many years were between 1.11 and the lastest patch that is just a cd check remove which Blizzard had to do to prepare the game for their download shop?

Abedeus · Jul 28, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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3) so you're saying that you can't do ANYTHING without PUGS/elite areas PUGS which require ursan? WOW *rolls eyes*

Uhm. No. I can't do DoA without pug or guild, which isn't always accessible. Never said about needing pugs everywhere. Read plas.

That Final Fantasy was just an example. I could use example with GTA, where half way in the game you must buy super-expensive bazooka to blast door to the bank, or else you won't get further into the game. And who cares it costs 250k. Farm or use cheats.

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2) I don't know one but i am sure there is one that has people on 24/7.

I'm sure there is a shop giving out free plasma TVs for each battery you buy.

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Eight years of support? How many years were between 1.11 and the lastest patch that is just a cd check remove which Blizzard had to do to prepare the game for their download shop?

They still supported game. Sure, not by maaany patches or updates, but it's due to nature of Diablo 2 - old game that requires downloading something every time there is an update.

And during those 8 years there aren't many things to fix - most of the bugs are fixed, classes are balanced. Same why we don't get many Star Craft updates. Game is 10 years old, and yeah, last patch was in 2008. And patch before in 2007.

It's just that guild wars REQUIRES those updates, Diablo 2 or Starcraft don't.

Stuart444 · Jul 28, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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I'm sure there is a shop giving out free plasma TVs for each battery you buy.

hmmmm *goes out to look for one*

seut · Jul 28, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

It's always funny to see how many people praise Blizzard for their long term support. Maybe i'm too old, but i remember Blizzard letting the original Diablo rot and fall into the hands of cheaters without any support, because they were too busy producing their upcoming games.
Well, that was the last millennium, when Blizzard had limited resources in both categories money and developers. Anet is in a similar situation now. They had a single hit game and NCSoft isn't in the financial condition to throw heaps of money at them.
Compare Anet to that Blizzard and the judgement who does the better support isn't in favour of Blizzard.